Comments on: No war on women? I beg to differ. http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/ One atheist's thoughts on politics, religion, and philsophy Sat, 28 Mar 2015 21:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2 By: Dylan Walker http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-77 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:00:25 +0000 http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-77 I am sorry you feel that way, and do invite you not to read my blog. I know we don’t see eye to eye on this and I avoid your blog exactly for this reason.

I was not attempting to be an asshole but I don’t see how you would think I wouldn’t not debate the point when you publicly called me out on my blog. I avoid these topics with you in order to try to maintain a good relationship with you, but you chose to come here and debate it.

You accused me of some pretty hatefull things (as well as inaccruate) so exaclty how to did you expect me to react. I have debated the topic in a completely rational and unemotional way. You are the one who blew up and started calling people names.

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By: Sakasama_No_Chou http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-76 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:49:40 +0000 http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-76 Dylan, I refuse to have this conversation with you as you are being an asshole at this point.

I’m sorry you feel the need to get this defensive when having a conversation with your goddamn sister, but the fact that you do is sad.

When you feel like having a rational conversation, you can contact me.

I’m not entirely certain why I even bother to read or comment on your blog at this point, since you deliberately misunderstand me and refuse to listen to anything I say.

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By: Dylan Walker http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-73 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:12:45 +0000 http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-73 Ok, first you are assuming some rather strange things about me, do you think I am unaware that some Christians vote democrat? Or that I believe that all republicans are a part of this? I believe I actually said the opposite of that in this very post. You did read it didn’t you? I am wondering because I spelled out how I was emphatically not saying what you just accused me of saying.

All of the Christians I know who are democrats are not fundamentalist, which means they free to think Peter 3:7 is crap. If they aren’t biblical literalists, they aren’t even part of the group I am criticizing here.

No one has warm fuzzy feelings about abortion, you don’t have to, but an attempt to reverse Roe V. Wade does amount to an attack on women in my book, how would you characterize an act that would force women to give birth against their will? To take away one of the most fundamental human rights we have, the right to ones own body? An act which would necessarily cause women to die in botched illegal abortions or by forcing them to carry to term pregnancies that may endanger their lives? I know they may not see their own actions in that light, but it doesn’t make consequences any less real.

But to argue that fundamentalist Christians do not represent a significant lobby within the Republican party is absurd. I also think it is absurd to suggest that people who think a passage like Peter 3:7 is the inspired and perfect word of god do not have negative attitudes about women. To argue that this has not had a significant effect on the policies the Republican party often advocates for doesn’t make much sense to me since these people represent such a large portion of the republican party. Sure there are rational Republicans, I never said there weren’t, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a big problem with quite a few Republicans.

And yes, some of those very people are women themselves, some of the most hateful anti-women sentiments I have heard have come from conservative women so the fact that some conservative women don’t see this is a problem is simply irrelevant to me. There are plenty of Republicans and libertarians who do see this as a problem and are quite fed up with the theocrats who have taken over the party, I know a few of them. It seemed to me like Gary Johnson was one of them but he was drummed out of the race early on because he didn’t kowtow to the religious right.

As for the laws I’m talking about, Wisconsin just passed an abstinence only education bill, perhaps that would be better characterized as a war against sex, and not women, but there isn’t much difference between the two in this instance.

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By: Sakasama_No_Chou http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-71 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:35:39 +0000 http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-71 I grew up in the same family and spent years in church as well. While I will admit that you may have a greater knowledge of religious topics than I, given your degree, I also think you may have more a predisposition to be biased against religious people. Many of the very religious people I know, actually vote Democrat.

There is a difference between evangelical religious groups that have a misogynistic view of women and a political war on women.

While I admit that there could be a faction that wants to attempt to reverse Roe v. Wade, however that doesn’t constitute a war on my gender. A war on abortion, perhaps. However I don’t particularly have warm fuzzy feelings about abortion either.

The only people who seem to see a “war on women” are people more to the left of the political spectrum. Strangely, none of the woman I know who are conservatives or libertarians see a war on women…and they are all very rational and very concerned with facts.

I have, in fact, read many of the laws you mentioned. While I disagree with some of them, I don’t see a problem with some of them. Which ones are you referring to specifically?

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By: Dylan Walker http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-68 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:10:12 +0000 http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-68 Have you read some of the laws being passed around the country regarding abortion or contraception? This isn’t just Santorum.

On the abortion issue I think it is clear that there are a lot of republicans who are making more and more extreme laws hoping that some one will file suit with the hopes of getting the supreme court to reverse roe v. wade.

But that is only a small part of the larger problem, next time you listen to a republican speak about womens’s issues notice how many of them try to deny they they have a problem with women by trying to put them on a pedestal, by talking at length about how special an amazing women are.

The quote a I gave in the article is not some insane santorum supporter he is uttering typical christian theology, go into any conservative Christian church and I guarantee most of them will vote republican and will agree with the quote I posted in the article. If you don’t think the quote I posted is equivalent to a war on women then there isn’t much I can do to convince you of that other than what I have already said, but as a rational person I think you could at least admit that I know a great deal more about conservative religion than you do, since I was part of that mentality for years.

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By: thesnarkwhohuntsback http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-67 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:47:59 +0000 http://www.skeptimusprime.net/2012/03/29/no-war-on-women-i-beg-to-differ/#comment-67 Interesting post, from a religious perspective, but (regardless of Santorum, he’s a nincompoop of epic proportions) you still haven’t shown how there is a “war on women” in the GOP.

As a female Republican, and someone that you know is rational, I have yet to see this “war on women” carried out. Yes, there might be a small and vocal minority that have insane ideas about women, but that hardly constitutes an entire war on my gender.

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